we need to think about whether or not he would weight more if he’s be 100% healthy. for God’s sake, he tried to eat 4000 calories/day a couple of months ago and he couldn’t gain weight. he is obviously not healthy with all the partying and drinking and with his anxiety around food, but he do cooks for himself and he stated that he actually eats normally and he does exercise as well sometimes. so do we really think he would be „normal” sized if he ditched the partying and like for example pull a Niomi Smart and started eating super healthy? I’m sure we all know someone who can not gain weight doesn’t matter what. I mean he could go to a doctor and he should as he should be healthier and the doctor could make a special diet based on his personal stats(blood and vitamin needs and all that shit) but he will never be „normal” sized cuz he’s tiny, doesn’t matter what he does. he can break his back and still wouldn't look like Jack or Connor even tho they are the same height.
I think moving back to Whiltshire would be a very unlogical idea. sure, it would be great for his mental health but other that that for what? he’s still very successful, making a shit ton of money from youtube, paying his mortgage for his luxury penthouse, living his fuckboy life in busy London with his friends(and he makes most of his videos with them cuz they are youtubers obviously, the ones back home are not, they have 9-5 jobs, what would Joe do alone all day?). and I’m sure even if youtube comes to an end he still have a B, C and probably D plan before going back to thatching. he said he wants to live eventually back home but he’s still single etc, I think he would last 2 weeks before he runs back to London cuz he’s bored. and he said before that youtube got to that point in 2014 when he was in London more than home so that’s why he moved there. it would be the death of his channel, he's already struggling. but maybe visiting more? that would be great.
his video today was the worst so far. zero effort, zero creativity. wouldn't even be interesting if it was an 8 minute part of his vlog.
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yeah I just watched the video. I don't remember ever seeing a main channel video of his with THAT little effort in it...Siculus wrote:we need to think about whether or not he would weight more if he’s be 100% healthy. for God’s sake, he tried to eat 4000 calories/day a couple of months ago and he couldn’t gain weight. he is obviously not healthy with all the partying and drinking and with his anxiety around food, but he do cooks for himself and he stated that he actually eats normally and he does exercise as well sometimes. so do we really think he would be „normal” sized if he ditched the partying and like for example pull a Niomi Smart and started eating super healthy? I’m sure we all know someone who can not gain weight doesn’t matter what. I mean he could go to a doctor and he should as he should be healthier and the doctor could make a special diet based on his personal stats(blood and vitamin needs and all that shit) but he will never be „normal” sized cuz he’s tiny, doesn’t matter what he does. he can break his back and still wouldn't look like Jack or Connor even tho they are the same height.
I think moving back to Whiltshire would be a very unlogical idea. sure, it would be great for his mental health but other that that for what? he’s still very successful, making a shit ton of money from youtube, paying his mortgage for his luxury penthouse, living his fuckboy life in busy London with his friends(and he makes most of his videos with them cuz they are youtubers obviously, the ones back home are not, they have 9-5 jobs, what would Joe do alone all day?). and I’m sure even if youtube comes to an end he still have a B, C and probably D plan before going back to thatching. he said he wants to live eventually back home but he’s still single etc, I think he would last 2 weeks before he runs back to London cuz he’s bored. and he said before that youtube got to that point in 2014 when he was in London more than home so that’s why he moved there. it would be the death of his channel, he's already struggling. but maybe visiting more? that would be great.
his video today was the worst so far. zero effort, zero creativity. wouldn't even be interesting if it was an 8 minute part of his vlog.
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I tend to give Joe the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his videos but jesus this week's was awful. Besides the fact that I don't like Mikey or Jack it just wasn't good at all.
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When I say "normal" I don't mean the obvious societal normal. I know he will never look like the average guy, but I just don't think he looks normal for his particular frame.Siculus wrote:we need to think about whether or not he would weight more if he’s be 100% healthy. for God’s sake, he tried to eat 4000 calories/day a couple of months ago and he couldn’t gain weight. he is obviously not healthy with all the partying and drinking and with his anxiety around food, but he do cooks for himself and he stated that he actually eats normally and he does exercise as well sometimes. so do we really think he would be „normal” sized if he ditched the partying and like for example pull a Niomi Smart and started eating super healthy? I’m sure we all know someone who can not gain weight doesn’t matter what. I mean he could go to a doctor and he should as he should be healthier and the doctor could make a special diet based on his personal stats(blood and vitamin needs and all that shit) but he will never be „normal” sized cuz he’s tiny, doesn’t matter what he does. he can break his back and still wouldn't look like Jack or Connor even tho they are the same height.
I think moving back to Whiltshire would be a very unlogical idea. sure, it would be great for his mental health but other that that for what? he’s still very successful, making a shit ton of money from youtube, paying his mortgage for his luxury penthouse, living his fuckboy life in busy London with his friends(and he makes most of his videos with them cuz they are youtubers obviously, the ones back home are not, they have 9-5 jobs, what would Joe do alone all day?). and I’m sure even if youtube comes to an end he still have a B, C and probably D plan before going back to thatching. he said he wants to live eventually back home but he’s still single etc, I think he would last 2 weeks before he runs back to London cuz he’s bored. and he said before that youtube got to that point in 2014 when he was in London more than home so that’s why he moved there. it would be the death of his channel, he's already struggling. but maybe visiting more? that would be great.
his video today was the worst so far. zero effort, zero creativity. wouldn't even be interesting if it was an 8 minute part of his vlog.
As for his video today...I got through about 2 minutes of it. He should've just not bothered uploading. 2015, hell even 2016 Joe would've never put that shit up. I just don't understand how his idea of of going through a rut is pumping out garbage after garbage. What he needs to do is disappear for a month or two, travel, and clear his head. When I say travel, I mean proper traveling not those lad laze arounds. Partying, playing video games, and partying is the same thing over and over again. Why does he keep doing the same thing expecting different results?
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It's been 17 hours and not even 5% of his subscribers have watched the video (despite posting about it on social media & everyone knowing about sugg sunday).
He keeps on talking about wanting to change his content, trying to appeal to an older audience etc. and yet he keeps on putting out videos, which literally noone above the age of 12 would find entertaining. Just stop talking about aging up your content or actually take a break and come back with new ideas, man. He can't be proud of his latest videos, they are nothing more than uninspired and lazy money grabs.
He keeps on talking about wanting to change his content, trying to appeal to an older audience etc. and yet he keeps on putting out videos, which literally noone above the age of 12 would find entertaining. Just stop talking about aging up your content or actually take a break and come back with new ideas, man. He can't be proud of his latest videos, they are nothing more than uninspired and lazy money grabs.
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Sounds like Alfie always talking about new content, new ideas, mixing it up but never following through.
Also has anyone watch TrueGeordie's new podcast featuring Joe
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He needs to give his main channel a break. It’s not working for him anymore. His vlogs are getting more views than main channel videos now. Even the livestreams have a lot of views (for a 3hr live stream that is). Just pull an Alfie deyes and give the main channel a rest. Every Sunday he just loses subscribers.
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Agreed. Unless he's gonna make a significant change to the general content he puts on his main channel, it's just gonna get worse. Which makes me sad because I always did (and still do tbh) rate Joe. But christ that last video was unbelievably poorheadturner18 wrote:He needs to give his main channel a break. It’s not working for him anymore. His vlogs are getting more views than main channel videos now. Even the livestreams have a lot of views (for a 3hr live stream that is). Just pull an Alfie deyes and give the main channel a rest. Every Sunday he just loses subscribers.
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Long time lurker here. I think if Joe wants to age up his content, more of those sit down videos will help. The one about his weight would be good, but I think he should really talk about his anxiety. I know he doesn't like to, but it's out there now and it's worse than many people expected. I think as a man, it is important to talk about things like that and will help his young viewers, especially other boys who may have similar issues, feel better.
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So he's filming a video with Mikey, Caspar, Josh, Oli and the Maynards. Wow, I can't wait. I've seen only his skin video in the past few weeks or even months because I can't stand Joe whenever he's around the Maynards or doing pranks. I'm in my mid-twenties and too old for that shitty challenges/pranks and fuckboy content.
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Right? You'd think that since his last 3 videos that featured some of his "friend group" with similar content didn't do so well he'd realize that's not what people want from him at the moment. I imagine it will probably get more views than the last 3 since people seem to love 'roast' type videos but c'mon - it's time to move on to something new.Blubb wrote:So he's filming a video with Mikey, Caspar, Josh, Oli and the Maynards. Wow, I can't wait. I've seen only his skin video in the past few weeks or even months because I can't stand Joe whenever he's around the Maynards or doing pranks. I'm in my mid-twenties and too old for that shitty challenges/pranks and fuckboy content.
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The thing is, I'm not a fan of most of his friend group, but I'd probably enjoy the video if they were actually sitting down and going down the serious road with it. They could use constructive criticism to reflect and talk about how they see their channels, their development, why they think people are criticising whatever, what content their fans expect vs the content they want to make etc.
The reality is that they will pick some mean aka "funny" comments their (pre)teen stans wrote. It will be just another "YOOOO lololol #savage #ROASTED" video that I won't watch. I hope not... but that's my guess.
The reality is that they will pick some mean aka "funny" comments their (pre)teen stans wrote. It will be just another "YOOOO lololol #savage #ROASTED" video that I won't watch. I hope not... but that's my guess.
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he did that truegeordie podcast?! holy shit
but 3 hours! shit it'll prob take me 3 months to finish watching it lol
I lost all my hope for him 'changing' or 'ageing up his content' or whatever. does he even bother anymore? he's completely stuck in this rut anyway. his existence online will prob die soon like all the others, marcus etc.
I don't like his friend group either, actually I'm surprised that they're still hanging out together lol I thought it was some kind of phase lol. those guys are just immature twats, I can't even imagine them actually sitting down and talking about some real shit... I guess joe's unaware of how his image gets fucked everyday bc of them, seriously. no mather how much you love someone, if you see them hanging out with awful people, you start to feel like "wtf". though kids and teens nowadays seem to like that kind of shitty behaviours and personalities so Idk, maybe joe gotta forget about that 'mature content mature aduience' shit and go with the sidemen route looool 'edgy joe sugg'
but 3 hours! shit it'll prob take me 3 months to finish watching it lol
I lost all my hope for him 'changing' or 'ageing up his content' or whatever. does he even bother anymore? he's completely stuck in this rut anyway. his existence online will prob die soon like all the others, marcus etc.
I don't like his friend group either, actually I'm surprised that they're still hanging out together lol I thought it was some kind of phase lol. those guys are just immature twats, I can't even imagine them actually sitting down and talking about some real shit... I guess joe's unaware of how his image gets fucked everyday bc of them, seriously. no mather how much you love someone, if you see them hanging out with awful people, you start to feel like "wtf". though kids and teens nowadays seem to like that kind of shitty behaviours and personalities so Idk, maybe joe gotta forget about that 'mature content mature aduience' shit and go with the sidemen route looool 'edgy joe sugg'
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I don't know why people want serious content from them so badly? They're entertainers. Besides that since when did creating content for older people mean serious videos lol. I don't think it needs to be serious. The content just needs to be better, and they need to leave the cookie cutter gleam packaging alone already. It doesn't sell anymore.
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Agreed, but it would be nice to see something different for a change. Whatever he's doing now isn't entertaining.BONTBFW wrote:I don't know why people want serious content from them so badly? They're entertainers. Besides that since when did creating content for older people mean serious videos lol. I don't think it needs to be serious. The content just needs to be better, and they need to leave the cookie cutter gleam packaging alone already. It doesn't sell anymore.
He's either incapable of changing it up or is too scared.
Next thread title?Weird Vagina wrote:'edgy joe sugg'
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I think you are misunderstanding what's being said here.BONTBFW wrote:I don't know why people want serious content from them so badly? They're entertainers. Besides that since when did creating content for older people mean serious videos lol. I don't think it needs to be serious. The content just needs to be better, and they need to leave the cookie cutter gleam packaging alone already. It doesn't sell anymore.
I didn't say that I want only serious content from him or content for older people = more serious videos, There are plenty of counterexamples in my sub box. There are also plenty of highly entertaining "reacting to mean comments"-videos out there, but I've seen enough videos with his friend group to know how it will turn out (probably). That's why I said that I would like for them to make a serious video about the criticism they get rather than the same ol' same ol'.
At leat we can agree on on whatever he's currently doing, it's not working anymore.
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Does he use drugs? It always look if he snorted something..
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so he going skiing with his friends... cool. that's what he needs. another vacation after 4 weeks in SA and 1 in Dubai. does he even know how to ski?
I've always thought that it was a suicide for him when they all kinda started "working" together as the "buttercream gang". they explained it that if they do all of their videos together and all of them has a video each day a week(Joe sunday, Caspar monday etc) then only this so called buttercream gang will appear at the recommended videos on the right side... but was this worth it? back then Joe had almost 7m subs and the other? Mikey? Jack? Josh? I get it that you need to have a friendship group that you can work with but honestly, I think it all started to go down when we realized that they(all of them) literally do the same video over and over again each week with the same people. no need to watch it then. I'd even prefer if Jaspar was still a thing instead of this. I personally really like videos like Cards against humanity(with Conor, Marcus, Will and Arden), I like his videos with Tanya and his sister usually(I think they should milk it with Zoe as much as they can tbh), I say it again, I think he should make videos with Tom, the Sideman, KSI, Byron, Conor Franta, he made videos with Dan and Phil(and Louise, that was my fav youtubers whispers). basically anyone other than the buttercream gang. his subs literally made a career for Mikey, Jack and Josh but he did not gain a single thing from it.
Weird Vagina a couple of pages back I wrote a long ass omment about stuff that was mentioned so if you don't want to watch it that could help.
I left this comment on his new video... is this why he thinks this is still okay? cuz young kids still lick his ass doesn't matter what he does?
I've always thought that it was a suicide for him when they all kinda started "working" together as the "buttercream gang". they explained it that if they do all of their videos together and all of them has a video each day a week(Joe sunday, Caspar monday etc) then only this so called buttercream gang will appear at the recommended videos on the right side... but was this worth it? back then Joe had almost 7m subs and the other? Mikey? Jack? Josh? I get it that you need to have a friendship group that you can work with but honestly, I think it all started to go down when we realized that they(all of them) literally do the same video over and over again each week with the same people. no need to watch it then. I'd even prefer if Jaspar was still a thing instead of this. I personally really like videos like Cards against humanity(with Conor, Marcus, Will and Arden), I like his videos with Tanya and his sister usually(I think they should milk it with Zoe as much as they can tbh), I say it again, I think he should make videos with Tom, the Sideman, KSI, Byron, Conor Franta, he made videos with Dan and Phil(and Louise, that was my fav youtubers whispers). basically anyone other than the buttercream gang. his subs literally made a career for Mikey, Jack and Josh but he did not gain a single thing from it.
Weird Vagina a couple of pages back I wrote a long ass omment about stuff that was mentioned so if you don't want to watch it that could help.
I left this comment on his new video... is this why he thinks this is still okay? cuz young kids still lick his ass doesn't matter what he does?
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It's not that the idea showed no effort, the idea is just bad, and his fans do not want to admit that.
After this video, and that youtuber dine with me thing I think they're gonna try to establish their group even more to be honest. Unless they all pull their weight with content I don't know how that is going to pan out if that is really the plan. Not only content, but their image. It's very in the middle, and no one cares for it. Either be completely authentic, or pretend to be innocent.
After this video, and that youtuber dine with me thing I think they're gonna try to establish their group even more to be honest. Unless they all pull their weight with content I don't know how that is going to pan out if that is really the plan. Not only content, but their image. It's very in the middle, and no one cares for it. Either be completely authentic, or pretend to be innocent.
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They need to drop this whole buttercream gang thing. The dead weights (mikey and oli) are just gonna bring the rest of them either further down than they’ve already slipped. I don’t get what Joe or Caspar have to gain from any of this. Unless their goal is to lose even more subs and views.